November 9, 2010 | The same principles that guided John Abele as the co-founder of Boston Scientific now underlie his work in philanthropy. Indeed, he calls his business endeavors “full-profit philanthropy.”

Abele is the co-founder, with Pete Nicholas, of Boston Scientific, a medical device company that pioneered the use of technology for less-invasive treatments and procedures.

Abele is also board chairman of FIRST (For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology) Foundation and founder and chairman of the Argosy Foundation, the Abele family’s private foundation. He is owner of The Kingbridge Conference Centre and Institute, which focuses on collective intelligence and the discipline of “collaborative convening.” Abele received his bachelor’s degree from Amherst College, where he is now a trustee emeritus.

Abele spoke with Faith & Leadership about training leadership to build healthy, ethical communities. The following is an edited transcript of the interview.

Q: As an internationally successful entrepreneur, what is your philosophy of business and leadership?

In terms of my personal philosophy, from a business point of view and in a lot of activities, philanthropic and social entrepreneurship sorts of things are aimed at creating a culture or an ethos in whatever you do. The technical thing is not what enables people to be successful. It’s a sense of trust, a sense of respect for others, a sense of being able to learn.

I always called it a “full-profit philanthropy,” which meant that it was sustainable. Our goals [at Boston Scientific] were, of course, to develop technology that would lead to products that would lead to medical procedures that would reduce risk, trauma, cost and time. In the process, we came across this concept of doing things less invasively. Doing things less invasively means the patient is almost always awake in the medical procedures.

There’s a spiritual component to the health care aspect, because the patient becomes a partner in his or her own successful rejuvenation. The medical world can get a little bit too mechanical, a little bit too scientific, and overlook the obvious, [which is] that patients with a positive attitude, by and large, do better than patients with negative attitudes. Do you really need to do a randomized, controlled clinical trial to study that? They actually have done those trials. But everybody knows what a good patient looks like. The patient that you want to have wants to be cured, wants to work on their own care, wants to understand.

That’s always fascinated me, and has been an overlap with what my wife the Rev. Mary Abele, pastor of All Souls Interfaith Gathering in Shelburne, Vt.,  is doing.

The connection with how do you create healthy communities, not just individuals, comes back to this same issue: how do you measure success in terms of measuring the health of a community?

Q: This is a fascinating notion -- the idea of thriving communities. How do you measure, for example in your philanthropic giving, the health of that community in which you’re investing?

There are quite a few ways. If you walk into any organization today, whether it’s a business, whether it’s a church, whether it’s an educational institution -- I don’t know about you, but I can sense the health of that organization without talking to a soul.

It’s the way people move. It’s the sound of their voices. It’s the way the rooms look. It’s the environment. It’s perhaps almost the spring in their step. These are people who have a mission. You can sense that.

To create that environment turns out to be very difficult, and that’s why people study leadership, of course. There are different types of leadership, and it isn’t that one is necessarily better than another; sometimes certain types of leadership need to be very different in order to solve the problems that they need to take on.

Q: You have spoken about the need to have an ethical company. As a leader of any organization, how do you create an ethical culture?

It’s a combination of creating an environment where everybody is both confident and humble. Clearly, you want competency, but on top of that the culture that guides the competencies needs to be confidence and humility. These are sometimes conflicting attributes, but they are ones in which people aren’t pushed to take credit for themselves. They’re focused on the goal of the organization.

When you hear everything expressed in the metaphor of war or the metaphor of sports, you want to think, that’s not bad per se, but if it’s the only one, then you’ve got to be very careful. What does winning really mean?

As a company, everything that we did [at Boston Scientific] was aimed at doing things better. Less risk, trauma, cost and time -- how could anybody argue with that? As it turns out, very easily. If you’re not one of the cognoscenti -- one of the tribe, the credentialed, certified -- in medicine you’re not allowed to comment or critique, because you don’t have the knowledge or the skill or the perspective to be able to help them out.

In talking with doctors, the question is, here is this disruptive technology that we were presenting to them, very different approaches to treating difficult medical problems than had existed in the past. A lot of these were brought to us by rebel doctors. They’re very passionate. They were not necessarily well-respected in their field, because they had already strayed from the pattern of safe ideas. It was our job to supply them with that technology, to work with them to understand the factors that make this work or not.

What can we do to make it better, and if we do everything, will it still be better than whatever the alternative is? That’s a long, involved process, and therefore the opponents of that process -- in our case it was usually a surgeon, because whatever we were doing was going to be an alternative to surgery -- wanted to see our 20-year results, which I always thought was amazing.

I said, “I think it’s important to come up with some very specific ethics tests that anybody working in these areas should try on themselves.” To me, it actually was the goal of getting to the truth. We didn’t want to develop products that weren’t going to be successful and more effective at treating people than anything else.

Everything we do is going to focus on achieving these little basic goals, where ultimately the patients are better off, society is better off, and in the long run, the doctors are better off. How can anybody argue against that? And it costs less. We have a sacred responsibility to our community at large to use the resources that we’ve been given in the most effective manner.

Q: What were the ethics tests that you developed?

The first one is just the Golden Rule. These are principles to follow, as opposed to detailed “how you do things.” Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” The second one is, if it’s a new medical procedure, would you do this procedure on your parents? Would you do this on your children or grandchildren? That’s kind of a variation of the Golden Rule.

The next one would be, what would somebody you really respect do in a situation like this? Who do you really respect? Don’t pick just one; pick several people. They may be academic leaders, they may be religious leaders -- but somebody who understands and can put things in perspective. What would they do in your situation?